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Post by overkill on Nov 27, 2006 13:20:56 GMT -5
This is outrageous that the driver of the cycle has such serious charges against him. If the cop couldn't handle the speed, he should of not been chasing. A SUV versis a motorcycle? No chance for the cop to catch him either. The cop put other vehicles in harms way just as much. The cycle driver needed to be ticketed but not for the cops death.
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Post by Buzzy on Nov 27, 2006 17:01:19 GMT -5
Overkill,
I have to agree with you 100%. The motorcyclist shouldn't go Scott free, maybe be charged with evading or resisting arrest, speeding, wreckless driving etc. But no way should he be charged with murder or homicide in any degree.
This is a bum rap. He is the scapegoat because a policeman got himself killed. Cops can do no wrong. Someones got to burn for their stupidity.
It's a bad rap but that's how law enforcement operates.
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Post by thecleaninglady on Nov 27, 2006 17:54:03 GMT -5
A person is guilty of aggravated criminally negligent homicide
when he or she causes the death of a police officer where such
officer was in the course of performing his or her official duties
and the defendant knew or reasonably should have known
that such victim was a police officer.
A person is guilty of aggravated manslaughter if (he/she)
recklessly causes the death of another person under
circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to human life.
The "extreme indifference to human life" is in the fact that
the person was speeding through an populated area thus
taking the chance that at any moment an adult and/or child
may have entered his path and he would not have been
able to stop.
The man is not an "innocent victim". He needs to learn.
From what I read, he wasn't even suppose to be on the
cycle to begin with.
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Post by 13069 on Nov 27, 2006 19:28:27 GMT -5
If the bike operator had been obeying the posted speed limit there would not have been a need for police intervention much less a chase so yes, this person is directly responsible for the officer's death. Don't do the crime if you can't do the time. End of story.
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Post by power2 on Nov 28, 2006 7:37:45 GMT -5
Todeschini made a stupid mistake in chasing the motorcycle. The kid was wrong but he did not force the SUV into the tree. If Todeschini's tahoe had hit a person or another car and hurt someone this would be a totally different story. Would he be held responsable if he had killed someone watering their lawn because he was foolish in chasing the motorcycle?
If it had not been an election year the Todeschini and Bill Leaf laws would of never been passed.
NYS has had laws on the books to deal with eluding police, but because the Todeschini family and some cops can not accept the fact that their boy screwed up they go after the next in line which is Carncross. Carncross is no angel but he is not a killer, just a dumbass.
This kids going to get screwed because of a cops stupid mistake.
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Post by watchdog on Nov 28, 2006 8:46:21 GMT -5
I think the murder rap is too extreme. The only reason it has gone as far as it has is because the cop wanted to chase the kid and got killed. This isn't saying the kid is not guilty of reckless driving among other standard driving aggravations. If the cop didn't get killed, what would the charges be? The cop's stupity is what killed him, not the kid. He was being a cowboy chasing the motorcycle. And he put other drivers in danger because he obviously could not handle the speed, thus wrapping the SUV around a tree. I think the kid is being victimized and that whole new law thing was a political move the summer before elections.
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Post by Truth on Dec 7, 2006 14:08:01 GMT -5
Well I saw the verdict on this one. Frankly, the cop's death was a tragedy, but it was avoidable. I feel they are trying to pin something on the kid who was driving the motorcycle because they need to convict someone for the cop's death. But IMO justice was not served. I agree with the posts saying the trooper acted irresponsibly. Keep in mind, I am no fan of cyclists who ride like they are immortal, weaving in and out of traffic at excessive speeds, and doing their fancy tricks on public roads. But at the same time, I wouldn't use my power of the law to vindictively go after them with a punishment that does not fit the crime.  |
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Post by power2 on Dec 7, 2006 14:20:17 GMT -5
Judge Walsh has shown to be fair when sentencing others, I hope he is fair with Carncross.
I was a bit surpised to read that 'despite the hard line taken by Fitzpatrick in prosecuting the case, he said he won’t likely seek a maximum penalty for Carncross. He will review a probation department pre-sentence report and talk further with the Todeschini family before making a sentencing recommendation.'
I don't agree with the family having any input for obvious reasons.
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Post by ghostryder on Dec 8, 2006 0:25:34 GMT -5
So now when anyone is pulled over and and someone (else) smashes into the rear of a parked patrol car the person being pulled over too can be held accountable? I give the Trooper credit for trying to give chase but in my mind that's like a C-130 trying to engage an F-18.
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Post by power2 on Dec 8, 2006 7:00:52 GMT -5
If a cop pulls out of one of their speed trap hideouts to pull you over for speeding and gets hit and killed by another driver, who is at fault?
I asked a traffic officer from Syracuse and he was not sure. His opinion was the driver of the second vehicle would be if you knew the officer was after you and pulled over. You would be if you kept going knowing that you were the reason the officer pulled out.
I saw this happen on 81 about 10yrs ago, the officer was not injured and the speeding car was long gone before the glass stopped flying.
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Post by disgusted on Dec 8, 2006 10:49:17 GMT -5
oh man, they get you one way or the other. IThe news channels seemto glorify the cops while playing Carncross as the satan here. Frickin propaganda.
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Post by ABCs on Dec 8, 2006 12:11:29 GMT -5
A person is guilty of aggravated criminally negligent homicide when he or she causes the death of a police officer where such officer was in the course of performing his or her official duties and the defendant knew or reasonably should have known that such victim was a police officer. A person is guilty of aggravated manslaughter if (he/she) recklessly causes the death of another person under circumstances manifesting extreme indifference to human life. The "extreme indifference to human life" is in the fact that the person was speeding through an populated area thus taking the chance that at any moment an adult and/or child may have entered his path and he would not have been able to stop. The man is not an "innocent victim". He needs to learn. From what I read, he wasn't even suppose to be on the cycle to begin with. I totally agree with you Cleaning Lady. I feel bad for his parents, but his rebellion got him in trouble. And we reap what we sow. |
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Post by user7777 on Dec 9, 2006 14:17:49 GMT -5
He wasn't suppose to be driving,wasn't his license suspended?From the look on his face, in all the TV clips I saw, he didn't look remorseful for what he did.
I feel bad for his parents and family, he hurt them too.
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