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Post by ponderer on Sept 18, 2007 17:51:42 GMT -5
Wow. I was taught that the people had a voice. Of course that was in theory. Oswego's two party system does not work. Sure, there are some good folks on both sides. We won't get them elected because folks still vote for one party or the other.
We need to look back at how any of these politicians have behaved in the past. For instance, all the NiMo guys who abstained in the votes involving their employer took our representation away in what may have been some of the most important votes in our history. Another example was when Mr Gosek sued our City when he fell in a hole on a job that he was a contractor on. Both situations showed self before community.
I know of an individual who got a raw deal from an outside agency doing a job for the city. The individual was injured and all advised to sue Oswego. The lawsuit didn't happen because the city wasn't responsible in any manner. No lawyer would go after the outside agency and there it ended. This person chose to protect our community instead of making personal gain. We need to recruit selfless individuals interested in GOVERNANCE OVER POLITICS.
Let's find those people that we believe in. Experienced politicians need not apply. It takes courage to make change.
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Post by hearthanhome on Sept 18, 2007 19:57:06 GMT -5
You incorrect ponderer. Mr. Wood would be still in the run if he followed the rules for Candidacy.
#1 you need to make sure the person is a registered resident of your City, County or wherever you are running for office.
#2 make sure that they already haven't signed someone else's endorsement papers.
He isn't the only person who had invalid signatures.
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Post by Truth on Sept 18, 2007 20:00:08 GMT -5
Wow. I was taught that the people had a voice. Of course that was in theory. Oswego's two party system does not work. Sure, there are some good folks on both sides. We won't get them elected because folks still vote for one party or the other. .... Let's find those people that we believe in. Experienced politicians need not apply. It takes courage to make change. The people still do have a voice. I just think they forgot about it or are apathetic about what goes on. Easiest way to tell is the voter turnout. The Republican Party really messed things up in Oswego during the Gosek years. But the time may have come for a new set of leaders to step up. Around here the most popular party is the Beer Party. ;D |
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Post by Truth on Sept 18, 2007 20:01:55 GMT -5
You incorrect ponderer. Mr. Wood would be still in the run if he followed the rules for Candidacy. And that is a shame to me. Regardless of his platform, you need competition to keep you honest. The cage needs to be rattled. |
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Post by hearthanhome on Sept 18, 2007 20:02:43 GMT -5
Don't you mean Berr Party? LOL
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Post by Truth on Sept 18, 2007 20:10:23 GMT -5
Oh my god...don't bring him up.  |
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Post by ponderer on Sept 18, 2007 21:59:15 GMT -5
This is in response to hearthanhome. Ummm, who is this Mr Wood? Please review what I said. It has nothing to do with signatures or party politics. If Mr Wood is a viable candidate who puts his needs second to those of Oswego, get him to go fix whatever signature problem there appears to be.
My statement is about selfless, community-minded, people interested in governance and not politics.
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Post by hearthanhome on Sept 18, 2007 22:36:59 GMT -5
Mr. Wood was running for Mayor, but he didn't get enough signatures by the time he had to do it. He was going to run on the independent line. But he had signatures of unregistered people and people who had already signed Randy's endorsement papers.
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Post by somebody on Sept 19, 2007 7:22:44 GMT -5
This is in response to hearthanhome. Ummm, who is this Mr Wood? Please review what I said. It has nothing to do with signatures or party politics. If Mr Wood is a viable candidate who puts his needs second to those of Oswego, get him to go fix whatever signature problem there appears to be. My statement is about selfless, community-minded, people interested in governance and not politics. I met the gentleman. He seemed very ambitious and had good ideas. One thing he said that really made a difference to me was that he was retired. He could focus his entire days to Mayor. Mr. Bateman has a full-time job and must tend to matters in his free time only. To me, the mayor job pays well enough to be a full time job. This city needs someone who can really put alot of time in the job. |
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Post by ponderer on Sept 19, 2007 8:13:57 GMT -5
A guest replied that we should have a full time Mayor. It makes good sense. I think someone in the right situation could do the Mayor's job and be employed. Someone accustomed to multitasking. It really depends on the individual I would guess. No one seems interested in my point about governance vs politics. That sort of bums me out.  Dude! |
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Post by Woody on Sept 19, 2007 10:46:44 GMT -5
Ponderer,
The use of fancy words like governance turns the common people off. I know it did me.
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Post by Morninglory on Sept 19, 2007 11:02:03 GMT -5
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'Wow. I was taught that the people had a voice. Of course that was in theory. Oswego's two party system does not work. Sure, there are some good folks on both sides. We won't get them elected because folks still vote for one party or the other'. by Ponderer
Are you for real or is it that you just love to hear your voice on paper?
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Post by anonymous on Sept 19, 2007 11:18:41 GMT -5
-------------------------------------------------------------------------------- 'Wow. I was taught that the people had a voice. Of course that was in theory. Oswego's two party system does not work. Sure, there are some good folks on both sides. We won't get them elected because folks still vote for one party or the other'. by Ponderer Are you for real or is it that you just love to hear your voice on paper?here we go. typical small town. ponderer's comments have substance. something wrong with that? not edgumacated? or maybe ticked you didn't say it first. everything has to be a bitch session or fight online. right? |
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Post by Eastsider on Sept 19, 2007 11:47:07 GMT -5
Well, it does make things more interesting.
Beats solitaire.
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Post by ponderer on Sept 19, 2007 14:32:19 GMT -5
Damn, no wonder people don't speak up. I say governance because it is not the same as politics. It's a specific word I used to describe a specific type of leadership. That's all. Shoot me for trying to be accurate in my meaning. I don't complain when someone uses slang because they are trying for a specific effect. When people speak I listen to what they are trying to say.
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Post by Buzzy on Sept 19, 2007 16:33:02 GMT -5
Hey ponderer.
Good for you. Your threads are just what this board needs, a shot in the arm.
Relax, there are plenty of people who know just what you're saying and the ideas you are bringing forth. And there are plenty of the other kind, also.
How dull life would be if we had no differences of opinion whether it be politics, religion, raising children, etc, etc. The amazing thing about it is everyone thinks his opinion is the correct one. Like the other dopes don't know what they're talking about.
Last I heard, it's still a free country and we all can express our opinions on a subject, pro or con. So carry on, McDuff.
BTW, how's my spelling? ;D
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Post by Truth on Sept 19, 2007 20:01:05 GMT -5
Hey ponderer. Good for you. Your threads are just what this board needs, a shot in the arm. Relax, there are plenty of people who know just what you're saying and the ideas you are bringing forth. And there are plenty of the other kind, also. How dull life would be if we had no differences of opinion whether it be politics, religion, raising children, etc, etc. The amazing thing about it is everyone thinks his opinion is the correct one. Like the other dopes don't know what they're talking about. Last I heard, it's still a free country and we all can express our opinions on a subject, pro or con. So carry on, McDuff. BTW, how's my spelling? ;D I agree. Good stuff. Your spelling is horrid. j/k  |
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Post by ponderer on Sept 21, 2007 13:12:02 GMT -5
Geez, come on guys. I feel terrible about making mistakes like that  I really do. The fact that you appreciate my attempt to look at different perspective is cool though. I know we can make a positive impact on Oswego if we try. Spelling errors and all. Thanks. |
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Post by Truth on Sept 24, 2007 19:26:32 GMT -5
Geez, come on guys. I feel terrible about making mistakes like that I really do. The fact that you appreciate my attempt to look at different perspective is cool though. I know we can make a positive impact on Oswego if we try. Spelling errors and all. Thanks. Spelling errors can be pet peeves but shouldn't distract from points made. That's the way I look at it. People should give another's views the same respect they give their own. It is the only way a decent discussion can be had. When the name calling comes out, someone has run out of ideas or a valid response. To me, its that simple. |
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I really do. The fact that you appreciate my attempt to look at different perspective is cool though. I know we can make a positive impact on Oswego if we try. Spelling errors and all. Thanks.